Japan’s 30 Year zero return in stock market – Can it happen with India? Nifty vs Nikkie
hey everyone 25 years ago Nifty was at levels of around 1,000 and today Nifty is touching levels of around 25,000 That’s 25 times growth in last 25 years So if someone would have simply invested in Nifty50 25 years ago his or her wealth would have grown 25 times But I know that some of you would have not even existed that time and some of you would be too young to invest However today the question is can the Indian stock market particularly Nifty replicate this 25 times growth over the next 25 years well it may sound insane but it is quite possible because it’s simple compounding In last 25 years Nifty has grown at around 13.5% CG rate to fetch 25 times return And if Nifty can grow at the same rate it would touch levels of 6 lakh Yes you heard it right Even if you take a little conservative number say 12% CG growth Nifty can potentially touch levels of 4.25 lakh That’s the power of long-term investing in a growing economy like India But here is the uncomfortable question many investors are asking What if this growth thesis does not play out this way for instance in 1990 Japan was fast growing futuristic and booming market And yet from 1990 to 2012 the stock market crashed 80% and stayed flat for over 30 years Even today the index is barely above its 1989 high Question is can this happen to India as well so in this video we’ll try to understand the Japan story Why stock market underperformed for decades and can something similar happened to India as well all right let’s get started To understand why Japanese stock market underperformed for decades it’s important to understand what happened before 1990s So during 1980s while India was trying to stabilize its economy Japan was already firing on all cylinders Post World War II Japan had rebuilt itself into a manufacturing powerhouse By the 1980s companies like Sony Toyota Panasonic Mitsubishi were dominating global markets The world saw Japan as the future Even the US was afraid of losing its economic supremacy to Japan and stock markets reflected this optimism Nikki 225 which is Japan’s version of Nifty went from around 6,000 in 1980 to nearly 39,000 in 1989 That’s a 6.5 times rally in just 9 years Real estate was even crazier At one point people said that the land under the Imperial Palace in Tokyo was worth more than entire land in California Banks were giving out loans not on income but based on the rising value of land as collateral It was a classic bubble driven more by asset price inflation than real productivity gains It was clear Japan wasn’t just an economic miracle It was a bubble in the making So what caused this dream to crash in December 1989 the Bank of Japan which has kept interest rate very low for years finally realized that things were getting out of hand So they started tightening monetary policy Interest rates were raised in phases from just 2.5% to 6% over the next 18 months Now here’s the thing Most of Japan’s boom had been built on cheap borrowing So when borrowing became expensive the entire house of cards started shaking Investors who had borrowed to buy stocks began to unwind their position Panic spread and just like that the air began to come out of the bubble Nikki hit a peak of nearly 39,000 in December 1989 But within 3 years it had crashed to 14,000 level a near 65% fall Between 1990 and 2005 Japanese stock market tried to bounce back many times Government would launch stimulus package The central bank would cut interest rate again But every time the market bounced a little it fell right back again Question is why so one big reason was deflation While most countries worry about inflation Japan was stuck with the opposite problem falling prices At first glance it might sound good Prices are falling What is the issue but deflation is actually a dead trap for an economy Because in case of deflation consumer delays spending because they expect prices to fall further Businesses see lower profit so they cut investments Workers don’t get salary hikes and jobs become less secure Banks stop lending as people don’t want to borrow in a falling economy So demands lows profit fall and the entire system gets stuck in a negative loop That’s exactly what happened in Japan The Bank of Japan tried everything They kept slashing interest rate from 6% down to nearly zero by 1999 But it was too late The damage had already been done Debt levels were too high Asset prices had collapsed and public confidence was shattered Even zero interest rates could not revive borrowing for business growth Eventually Japan had to try quantitative easing That is injecting money into the system to push up inflation and growth But for over two decades nothing really worked As a result from 1990 peak to almost 2023 the Japanese stock market gave zero real returns Even today when adjusted for inflation Japanese investors from 1989 haven’t made their money back And that’s why Japan became a cautionary tale an economy that went from world leader to stagnation a market that rose too fast and never truly got up again So now the big question is can what happened to Japan happen to India too it’s a fair question When you hear things like Nikki hasn’t recovered in 33 years or Japan was the world’s second biggest economy and still crashed you can’t help but wonder if India might face something similar But here is the truth India today is in a very different place than Japan in the 1980s Let’s break it down So if we compare Indian stock market with Japan is our market rising yes But are we in similar bubble absolutely not First look at valuation Japanese stock market Nikki touched P of around 60 during its 1992 peak Clearly not sustainable levels Nifty trades at around 20 to 22 earning multiple which is reasonable for a growing economy Most large companies are profitable cash generating and not overleveraged Second look at debt levels Japanese corporates were drowning in debt in the ’90s Indian corporates today have deleveraged themselves massively since 2015 Even the government is managing fiscal deficit very cautiously Third look at the demographics Japan faced an aging population and shrinking workforce India has the youngest workforce population among major economies which is a huge long-term advantage Fourth reason is structural growth Japan in the ’90s was a mature economy with limited domestic demand left to unlock India is still developing Infrastructure consumption digitization manufacturing all in early growth phases And fifth look at banking and financial regulation Japan’s bank were lending recklessly with minimal oversight India’s RBI is conservative We saw that infest bank and other cleanup moves NPA have come down sharply Credit quality is improving So can the Indian market face correction absolutely Can there be bad years of course every market has them But a 33-year no return scenario like Japan well that seems extremely unlikely unless we completely lose macro discipline which so far we haven’t In fact today Indian economy has one of the best macro in the world Our inflation is well under control Our fiscal deficit is under control Our GDP is growing at one of the fastest rate in the world Bottom line is India is still in its growth story Not the end of it So instead of fearing a Japan style crash we should ask are we investing in the right businesses with the right expectation and enough patience Having said this we need to keep a close eye on the Indian economy In my opinion India’s demographic dividend is its biggest strength with over 65% of India’s population under the age of 35 and every year more than 1 cr young Indians are entering the work working age However we can only leverage this demographic dividend if India creates the right environment Massive job creation rising wages more disposable income higher saving more investment and a strong consumption growth This creates a virtuous cycle Jobs that leads to consumption that result in profits that result in investment and that result in more jobs And that’s how a 4 trillion economy can become 20 trillion in the next 25 year There are some good signs like India is pushing for manufacturing sector infrastructure green energy to create jobs and sustainable growth Then startups are generating new age employment Then formalization via UPI GST is slowly improving But here is the risk A young population alone does not guarantee growth If the jobs don’t come it can create a big problem I believe that today India’s youth is aspirational but impatient If they don’t get jobs that match their skills and degree it creates massive discontent Also the fact is there’s a massive income inequality A few skilled worker earns lakhs per month while millions earn just 105,000 a month This gap can lead to political polarization demand for freebies and economic inefficiency Also remember that the demographic dividend is not permanent In the next 20 25 years our aging population will rise and if we don’t capitalize now we’ll grow old before we grow rich So I think that India today needs jobcentric policies If we get it right India’s growth story can be unstoppable If you get it wrong we may still grow but not fast enough to lift 1.4 billion people into prosperity Another point I think we should discuss is technology and innovation One of the big reason Japan struggled post 1990 was because Japan could not lead the next wave of innovation It had great companies like Sony Toyota Panasonic Mitsubishi that were dominating global market mainly into hardware But the future was software internet mobile AI and now deep tech And that was led by US companies like Google Microsoft Apple Facebook Amazon They dominated the global market and now they’re leading AI innovation with companies like OpenAI I believe for India to grow at a faster rate this innovation in technology would play a significant role And while India has made progress with UPI India stack and a growing startup ecosystem we’re still far behind the US and China when it comes to cutting edge innovation The US continues to lead in AI semiconductors biotech and deep tech China is pouring billions into quantum computing electric vehicles and AI infrastructure And let’s be honest India has missed the AI bus for now Even though we have the talent we haven’t yet built the institution deep research or capital scale needed to lead global innovation So this is both an opportunity and a warning If we don’t invest seriously in R&D support deep tech startups and fix our education to industry pipeline we risk becoming just consumer not creator in the global tech economy Okay let me not stress this video further I’d conclude by saying that history teaches us that no country is immune to long-term challenges Japan had everything going for it in the 80s and still struggled for decades But India’s story is different We are still a young economy a young population and we are getting just started Yes there are risk from job creation to execution gaps But at the same time we have digital infrastructure entrepreneurial energy and global tailwind on our side I’d like to be both realistic as well as optimistic And when I look at India’s demographic dividend I choose to see the glass half full If you invest in people skill and infrastructure then India’s best days are still ahead of us And if the Indian economy would grow Indian stock market would continue to reward the investors Now you tell me in the comment are you bullish or bearish on the future of Indian economy and stock market and where do you think Nifty moving in the next 10 20 years if you find this video useful do share within your friend circle I’ll see you next video Till then take care
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But newspapers are saying that nifty has grown 15.67x in last 25 years… how did you get the 25x data?
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Nice explanation sir with good content. Thanks a lot
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India is a consumer not a creator… Bcz we ( government)r not giving value to education ( practical education) bcz in 5 years government wont get returns…so only doing free bees and creating population…
We need population control
We need free…practical reason oriented education
We need good innovation… In Collobaration or alone… Recently i felt happy first indigenous MRI is installing in AIIMS… IN INOX INDIA concal
We need ethics , morality ,accountability and hard working nature
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feel investors should focus on under-the-radar stocks, considering the current rise of the stock market since trump was pronounced winner of the united state election. 35% of my $270k portfolio comprises plummeting stocks that were once revered. I don't know where to go here out of devastation.
Hello Sahil,
India tops Emerging Markets in the World!
In the past, India produced a number of Multibaggers like RELIANCE, INFOSYS, TITAN, TCS, PI, TANLA, AVANTI FEEDS, ATUL, MRF, BALKRISHNA INDUSTRIES, HDFC BANK, AXIS BANK, STATE BANK OF INDIA, PRAJ INDUSTRIES, DIVI'S, DEEPAK NITRITE, BAJAJ FINANCE to name a few…
And this list goes on…
Sectors like EMS, RENEWABLE ENERGY, EV R&D, CHEMICAL, NBFC, RAILWAYS, DEFENCE hold the promise to create Future Multibaggers.
I'm personally very Bullish on Indian Stock Market.
Next Decade belongs to India. Note my words…
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Nice explanation Sahil. India is growing no doubt in it.
But unless until we reach less Political & Govt Employees Corruption, less freebies and Reservations to the needy only irrespective of Cast real growth of India may not emerge I feel.
Great video❤
What about US – can it face a similar problem like Japan faced or what US has faced earlier? If so what will be the impact on Indian and other world markets?
Also one must analyse the quality of demographic dividend In which segment of the population is there growth? Most middle and upper class families restrict to only one child and that too most of them are leaving India in their teens to study abroad and never come back So the quality of population growth leaves much to be desired
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It crashed because it was fully developed by that time. We are far far away from it. Total GDP doesn't matter. We have the largest population in earth and so it's obvious that GDP has to become the highest soon. But we still have one of the lowest GDP per capita in the world and therefore we have a huge market for businesses to expand to. We are a poor country and things get worse as you move to villages where most of our population resides.
Much needed this answer, thanks sir for a wonderful video n clearing our doubts
Thanks
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This is the most sensible, intelligent, highly objective, informative, comparison with Japan, Realistic, Optimistic and pessimistic excellent stuff in a short video
need of the hour video as sometime we get carried away by current movements without checking the reality. good one and keep rocking Sahil
The benchmark S&P 500 (^GSPC) dropped around 0.2% The tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite (^IXIC) fell around 0.1%, but i heard people are profiting and racking over $350k from all of this through some insider trade… any idea how i can profit from this as well?
I really want to be optimistic but the reality is india is nowhere in the race of futuristic technologies or innovation nor do we have such high and relevant education systems and our government are filled with just too dumb people who doesn't even understand the future and how to do what needs to be done to be in the competition with china and america. Instead our governments are wasting time in fighting in internal politics, setting stupid narratives and wasting time with endless distractions for itself and for the people. Our people are busy in ipl, betting and gambling promoted by celebs, cricketers, govt itself. Our people are kept utilized and distracted in religion politics, baba and guru bhaktis, pilgrimages, and devotion which is making some money for the govt but that's not futuristic while china and America was using time of it's people in real world stuff we are kept busy in mandir, masjid, hindu muslim, cricket, dream 11, and so on. While American billionaires are doing futuristic innovations in artificial intelligence, quantum computing, space tech, energy transition, robotics, creating new age tech devices and mediums, our billionaires are busy in snatching the existing small retail businessess of middle class in all cities and like general stores, medicals, reliance marts, apparels and even ice creams and bakeries in the name of innovation billionaires are just snatching multiple middle class owned business in all the cities. Dire situation for india with capitalists going wild and government dumb, and people kept distracted we are a recipee for incredible irreversible damage
Japan is the victim of usa economic aggression policy!
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Nope, it cant we are hedged by gold, internally.
Please cover premier energy
Excellent video
I will be bullish on Indian economy