China’s increasingly bizarre economy
For years,
the Chinese economy seemed unstoppable. Now people are spending less. The all important housing
sector is in a downturn. China then that is booming. According to its latest economic figures. Okay, it’s official. China’s
economy is getting weirder and weirder. On the one hand, it is showing
all the signs of a Japan style slowdown. It is plagued by deflation. Youth unemployment remains stubbornly
high, and the government is introducing more and more stimulus measures
to try to get people to spend more. And yet, at the same time, China’s
economy seems to be experiencing a second economic miracle of some sorts. Last year, it was again the second fastest
growing major economy in the world, and in just a few years
time, it has come to dominate advanced industries
such as petroleum cars, electric vehicles, clean tech and even AI. So what’s really going on with China’s
economy? Is it failing? Is it booming
or is it somewhere in between? In a normal economy, these two stories cannot be true at the same time. After all, if consumers are not spending,
then firms have no revenue and thus they cannot be investing
and producing on such a large scale. But if there’s one thing
that my years of studying economies around the world has shown me,
China is no normal economy. So if we cannot use the normal economics
to understand what’s going on with China, then what the heck is going on
with China’s economy? To find out,
I started with the most obvious potential explanation
China is lying about their GDP numbers. Yes, it may sound strange
that this is the most obvious explanation. But as I covered two years ago,
there are serious signs that Chinese provinces overstate their GDP growth
every year to hit their growth targets. However, today,
according to recent research by a US Federal Reserve researchers, China appears
to be honest about their GDP numbers. These researchers
use all sorts of alternative metrics, such as retail sales
and industrial production indices, and conclude that no,
there are no red flags right now when it comes to China’s
impressive GDP growth numbers. So that left me no choice. To find out
what’s actually going on in China, I had to dive into both the crises and boom stories in much more detail. My starting point was the crisis story that I talked
about a lot on this channel previously. This story is about China’s
Japanification. Now the core of the Japanification
story was essentially that China’s economy
would surely follow the path of Japan, which stagnated after a gigantic property
bubble burst in the early 1990s. That is just like Japan did in the 1960s
and 70s. China went through extraordinary economic
growth in the 1990s and early 2000, because it used banks to invest
in the country on a colossal scale. This allowed Japan and later
China, to rapidly catch up to the west by building infrastructure, houses, factories
and a world class education system. To obtain for a knowhow and currency,
both Japan and China used various measures to keep both wages
and their currencies low. This allowed both countries to quickly
become manufacturing powerhouses. And this is often considered
a crucial first step in a country’s economic development
because manufacturing is special. It allows a country to sustainably earn
enough foreign currency to pay for crucial imports
that keep the economy running. Crucial imports like, for example, oil. However, according to economists
like Peking University professor Michael Pettis, such investments heavy economic
miracles can only get a country so far. After all, at some point there are enough
bridges, roads, houses and factories. At this point,
almost all economists, including, I have to say, those of the Chinese Communist Party,
recognize that a developing economy needs to switch to a consumption
based model where wage and currency suppression are abandoned to allow people
to have more disposable income. This could lead to a more balanced economy
where all sorts of businesses emerge in response
to the needs of the people. These types of businesses
are often service sector businesses, such as, for example,
theme parks and cafes. Developing a thriving service
sector is really important for any modern economy,
because the service sector can employ way more people than advanced
manufacturing does. So essentially, the idea
is that any economy starts out agrarian, then rapidly industrializing,
and then finishes its development by developing a thriving service sector
which employs most people. For example, in the UK, a whopping
95% of workers work in the service sector, even though it only accounts
for about 78% of its economy. Now, to achieve these transformations
rapidly, a government tends to give certain privileges
like tax exemptions or subsidies to the sector
that it wants to develop next. However, this also means
that for the next stage of the economic transition, privileges need to be taken
away from the previously dominant sector. This is why transformations
between development stages are easier said than done. Often,
the owners of the preferred last sector have a lot of political capital now,
meaning that they resist the transition. For example, Argentinian farmer oligarchs
have long resisted the transition to industrialize. Similarly,
now China’s powerful industrialists, whom many of our high ranking members
of the Chinese Communist Party are resisting the transition
to a consumption based economy because it would reduce their
relative power. But what if there is a simpler option, one that can just make everyone richer? One that will allow people to spend more
and to keep the economy growing without taking wealth away
from government and manufacturing elites that have profited from the previous
investment led growth model, believe it or not. But in macroeconomics,
that option actually exists and it is called blowing a housing bubble. Here’s how you can get one started. The first
step is to get rid of conservative regulations that prevent
the housing market from taking off. Second, you make it easier and easier for
banks to supply mortgages to households. And then it’s easy just sit back and relax
as the following positive feedback loop starts
making everybody in your nation feel rich. As more and more households borrow
from the banks to speculate on the housing market,
house prices will inevitably be pushed up. This will make homeowners feel richer, encouraging them to borrow and speculate
even more. Of course,
banks will be happy to help them out, as they have lent
against the collateral of these houses. So if one borrower was not trustworthy,
the bank can just take the house. After all,
it only keeps going up in value. Crucially for the economy,
rising home prices made both the Japanese
and Chinese consumers feel richer, allowing them to spend more freely
just as they might have in their countries if they had chosen to switch
to a consumption based development model. Therefore, the housing bubble years
helped sustain high economic growth well after most productive investments
were already done, both in Japan in the 1980s
and in China in the 20 tens. Sadly,
while these mortgages helped push GDP up, they made debt go up way faster, causing debt to GDP to rise rapidly, almost doubling from about 130% of GDP
in 2008, in China to roughly 260% in 2019. This was a huge sign
that this all was not sustainable. Then, when house prices
inevitably started dropping, the virtuous cycle that we saw before
became a doom loop. Banks started demanding their money back. Consumers
could not fully repay their loans and therefore they stopped
spending their money in the economy. In Japan, reduced
spending meant that its industries then started getting fewer
and fewer orders. On top of that, reduced home values
and more and more bad borrowers meant that the banks stopped
lending to anyone, including industry. Therefore, industrial firms
stopped investing and lost their edge. To keep the doors open,
they also had to lower their prices, making it harder
for them to repay their debts as well. Therefore, the Bank of Japan eventually
stepped in to support banks, consumers and firms with low interest rates
in the hope to get Japanese consumers to start spending again
and banks to start lending again. This is the story that many economists, including me, said
we’d likely see in China as well. But now, just a couple of years later,
I can say that it was only half the case. Yes, we’ve seen the property
slump stick around for many years. Yes, Chinese consumers don’t spend this much anymore
causing deflation and youth unemployment. And yes, just like in Japan,
we are seeing the central bank stepping in with stimulus in a big way. However, we are not seeing this translate
into a recession in Chinese manufacturing despite Chinese
consumers suffering. We are seeing Chinese factories produce
more and more and more and more, even expanding into risky new sectors
such as green technologies and electric vehicles. In all of my years of studying economies
around the world, I can truly say that I have never,
ever seen anything like this before. This is why I think it’s fair to call this China’s second economic miracle. So how did China do it? I think this graph
from National University of Singapore Professor Bert Hofman, shows it best. As you can see here, as Chinese banks
stepped back from the real estate market
when the bubble popped, they started absolutely pumping
massive amounts of money into industry. This is the key difference with Japan. In Japan. Private banks did not do this
because it was far too risky. Similarly, in Western economies, Bank
absolutely did not go on a lending spree to industry. After the housing crisis of 2007. But China is no normal economy because its state is so much more powerful
than in Japan or in the West. So after the housing bubble burst,
the government essentially stepped in and ordered its state owned banks to pivot
hard and turned on the lending taps to industries that it considered essential
for its further economic development. Of course, Chinese
consumers are still in trouble, so factories could not sell
all of this new stuff at home. Meaning that we are seeing deflation
in China. However, with so much state support,
Chinese manufacturers now had a significant edge
over foreign firms, meaning that China’s export growth
absolutely exploded. So why is China’s economy
still growing so fast? Why is its industry taking over the world
even though Chinese consumers are suffering? It’s quite simple. It is an unprecedented lending boom
from Chinese banks that are following the orders of the Chinese government,
in all likelihood. So in conclusion, both stories
about China’s economy are correct. China is not faking its economic numbers. Its consumers and property
markets are actually struggling similarly
to how it happened in Japan in the 1990s. However, unlike Japan, China’s
industries are thriving thanks to massive support by the state. On the one hand, this is truly impressive. The other hand,
it is a really risky bet for two reasons. The first is that Chinese economic growth
is now even more dependent on foreigners
wanting more and more Chinese products. The US is already closing off its markets. Yes, so far China has managed
to actually reroute its exports to other markets,
but it is increasingly facing a backlash. All over the world. As countries like Brazil, Indonesia
and India are fearing the demise of their own industries who cannot compete with heavily subsidized Chinese firms. The second reason China’s new economic
model is not sustainable is that China’s debt to GDP
ratio is once again, rapidly rising. This cannot continue indefinitely. When taking into account households,
corporate and government debt. China is now even more indebted
than the United States. That being said, though, China’s total
private sector and government debt is still quite a bit lower
than that of Japan. So me saying that this is not sustainable
does not mean that China’s economy
will collapse in the coming five years. How far they can take this new model? I do not know, but I do think
that this was the wrong choice. As I argued in my previous video,
for more stable economic growth, China should switch to a consumption
based economic model. And that’s not just me saying that,
the Chinese Communist Party itself essentially agrees with me. At least that’s what they write. It’s not what they do,
but it’s what they write. They are saying, look,
we need to prioritize high quality growth. That is growth
that does not increase debt to GDP. But whether or not they can do it,
I don’t know. Especially not given
that their working age population is now projected to start
declining rapidly in the coming decades. So yeah, what do you think? Let me know in the comments below.
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2. https://www.economist.com/china/2025/07/03/chinas-growth-targets-cause-headaches-even-when-met
3. https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/06/30/xi-jinping-wages-war-on-price-wars
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China has become a scientific superpower: https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/06/12/china-has-become-a-scientific-superpower
China’s growth targets cause headaches—even when met: https://www.economist.com/china/2025/07/03/chinas-growth-targets-cause-headaches-even-when-met
Xi Jinping wages war on price wars: https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/06/30/xi-jinping-wages-war-on-price-wars
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:36 What is going with China’s economy?
02:46 China’s Japanification
06:39 Blowing a housing bubble?
10:21 China’s second economic miracle
12:02 Conclusion
14:21 Sponsor
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Further reading from the Economist:
1. https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/06/12/china-has-become-a-scientific-superpower
2. https://www.economist.com/china/2025/07/03/chinas-growth-targets-cause-headaches-even-when-met
3. https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/06/30/xi-jinping-wages-war-on-price-wars
its like the us econemy witouth keeping it on hero*ine or usustainable debt driven growth /what is not growth at all/,whether goverment handsout subsidies or the nation destroyi*ng QE policies it would crash and deflate what the econemy needs because disconnected ,/from reality like is blutently clear in us case,mony is way to cheap/econemies are unstable and do incredible harm to the population bye artificialy undercutting real wages true dilution of the mony supply,you need the burst to get the boom you need the boom to get euphoria for famillies to start family expansion.postponing the burst is more harmfull in the longrun then the burst itself.postponing makes low real wages culterly ingrained leading to a pop that dont want children aca who today wants to have children in these living conditions.*You might fooll the consionce mind bye use psyholegy tricks like giving 25% intrest rate when inflation is 40% to make you think ur doing well however those tricks dont work on the subconscience mind.the politician that love deluting the currency bye fractual banking Qe goverment defeceits,goverment subsidy industry…should be locked up and the key thrown away.because they force the snake to eats it tail…all the abover ar accounting tricks that have net negative real world impact
Several countries have very low debt-to-GDP ratios, indicating strong fiscal health and the ability to manage their debt obligations. Statista reports that Brunei, Kuwait, and Turkmenistan.Yes, Brunei's population is currently growing. Brunei ,Projections indicate an increase from an estimated 450,500 persons in 2023 to 539,000 in 2040, with an average annual growth rate of 1.1 percent.Yes, Kuwait's population is growing. The total population in Kuwait reached 4.919 million at the end of June 2024, with an increase of 59,900 people compared to the end of 2023, according to Kuwait Times. This represents a semi-annual growth rate of 1.2%.Yes, Turkmenistan's population is growing. In 2025, the population is estimated to be around 6.67 million, with a projected increase to 7.62 million by 2025. This growth is attributed to a natural increase in population, with more births than deaths,
7:25 this only works for house owners, rest of the population is not in the loop and essentially gets screwed over
消费也要看消费的是什么产品,买袜子,还是买汽车。中国现在做的主要是国产化。
例如,如果造汽车,在同等品质的情况下,你就可以决定汽车零部件的供应商是国产还是海外。如果你选择国产的,那就可以为本国人提供工作,就不用再去做袜子了。
在制造业指定供应商是很常见的,例如果链和迪链。
你掌握更多终端产品,就拥有更多的话语权,那么就可以提供更多高薪岗位。
Can it be that statistics are doctored?
I'm not an economist, I'm studying History, but I'm moderately familiar with Japanese economic history. While it's not very accurate or productive to make 1 to 1 analogies I do think China's current situation since 2020 matches that of Japan in the early 70s with the Nixon shock (1971) and Arab oil crisis (1973), rather than the beginning of the Lost Decades (1989/91).
1971 and 1973 serve as the rough dividing line between the 高度成長期 (High growth period, roughly 1955/60 to 1971/73), what most think of when they refer to the "Japanese economic miracle" (Tokyo Olympics, unveiling of shinkansen, massive postwar recovery) and the 安定成長期 (stable growth period, 1973 to 1991).
In the high growth period, we saw Japan focus on low end export manufacturing (gadgets/portable tech, textiles, etc. the very same sort of thing China became known for in the 2000s and 2010s), whilst in the stable growth period it focused on high end manufacturing (cars, computers, consoles, semiconductors, etc., the type of thing China is beginning to be known for), as well as developing a larger domestic sector with their newfound export-gained wealth and purchasing power.
China, as another proponent of the East asian economic model pioneered by Japan, has a situation that kind of mirrors this, though whether it will be able to develop a proper domestic sector is unknown. It's also fundamentally different because its relationship to the US (its main export market) is adversarial, meaning its situation is far more precarious than that of Japan in the 70s and 80s. Also: trade wars, demographics hitting earlier than in Japan, dealing with the broader trend of deglobalization and reindustrialization (whereas Japan rode the wave of globalization and offshoring during its stable growth period), etc.
So China has found a way to grow their economy without improving the living standards of its people at all
Am I hallucinating or everytime he says “China” it looks like he’s doing animpression of Donnie?
Funny how everything balances out.
These videos are fantastic. Thank you so much for making them
Yeah for china's economy to collapse the government has to be democratic
Provincial officials used to lie, then China started auditing heavily. Audits are conducted with random people, who are only told even last minute, basically they have tried to remove all chances of corruption. Often the auditors are only given 'yes/no' questions and are often just college students bussed in to do the audit. China moves one step at a time forward, it's momentum has been built up over decades.
The Chinese have a weird overproduction that starts to make sense once you consider the war in Europe they signed off on.
Yes, and China has been following the model.
Under Mao the fed themselves…then moved onto industry.
They are forcing it, not letting it naturally form like the USA, Europe and Russia
According to Chinese bloggers China has over stated its population size by over four hundred million! If your population is actually four hundred million less people that would explain the poor consumer spending of its population.
Well seems like China is moving from a growth based economy to technological specialisation based
看到这些西方人用资本主义思维和传统经济学观点来分析中国经济我真的觉的好笑,1.房地产在资本主义国家和传统经济学中是经济的一大支柱,但是对于中国来讲,它只是经济发展过程中,以及在某一阶段(提升城市化率)占据重要性,目前的中国城市化率目标基本已经实现,政府也已经认识到让老百姓承担过多的住房债务会降低其他方面的消费,所以选择主动给房地产市场降温,除了大城市稀缺地段资源,其他地区和城市让房子回归到居住属性,而且是当前收入可承受的范围内。2.中国国内的消费能力并不比美国低,可以看看中国每年的汽车,手机,电脑等各种生活必需品和各种食物消费量,数量都比美国多很多倍,从销售价值上感觉比美国低,主要原因是中国的物价低,以及人民币的汇率远远低于它的实际购买力。而美国之所以消费高,除了实物价格高溢价之外,更多是服务类消费价格比中国高很多,美国同类型的医疗,教育,法律,住房维护以及生活服务费用比中国高几十倍,中国上大学一年学费5000RMB,美国上大学一学期几万美元,中国看病一次只需几十美元,而美国都是几百几千美元起步。3.中国已经通过实际行动证明了要想发展并不一定要走西方那条路(殖民,掠夺,剥削,垄断),同样,消费型社会,借贷型社会也并一定是成为发达国家的唯一路径。提高生产力,发展科技,创造更好的产品,完善社会福利,也能刺激社会消费(比如新能源智能汽车让消费者愿意花钱替换老式燃油车,发展人形机器人可以让很多家庭把它当成手机,电视,洗衣机一样的生活必需品,高铁能让更多人愿意出门旅行,5G,6G快速低延迟网络能催生新型的职业和商业模式,自动化工厂能让生产力和生产效率提升,降低生产成本,让更多收入不高的人有机会购买产品,享受现代科技和生活,也能让人有更多休闲时间去旅游,产生更多服务型消费)。最后说一点,当西方垄断或者占据某类产品或行业的时候,他们的思维和策略是采用高溢价,高利润,让极少部分人享有。而中国人的思维是普惠,让更多人能使用它,拥有它,让用户量变得更多。想想看,难道非洲人,阿富汗人,拉丁美洲人,中亚人就不想要先进的智能手机,不想要自动驾驶的汽车,不想要低廉,稳定的电力,不想要家里有空调,洗衣机,不想要快捷低廉的公共交通,不想要优质的通信网络,这些国家和地区的孩子不想要优质的教育?拜托,是个人都需要这些。
Someone told me that if China wants to pay for electric cars in Europe, we should let them…
But I guess things are a bit more complex than that…
So, China is adopting the Start-up model; burning through investors money to gain market share, hoping competitors will drop out, so they can raise prices to become profitable.
I'm going with the explanation that China is Communist internally and Capitalist externally. For the time being, the central planners haven't massively screwed up or succumbed to internal political squabbling.
After all, economics is a social science — if an entire society shows consistently different patterns of behaviour, different models become viable.
China is actually trying to maintain and prolong the current situation, waiting for the peak moment to come.
That is: the moment when the generation affected by the Cultural Revolution leaves the center stage and the generation with declining fertility rates has not yet appeared.
People born before 1966 often lacked food and received radical Maoist education in their youth. They will gradually retire from 2025 and fully retire in 2034. China's birth population has dropped significantly after 2016. This generation will graduate from college after 2038 and reach 30 years old in 2046, becoming the main force of society. From 2025 to 2045, China's talent will enter its peak considering the level of education.
Everyone will be young and have a college degree. You will find a skilled engineer or researcher randomly anywhere. For a country of 1.4 billion people, this is enough to occupy 50% of the world's manufacturing, instead of 30% today. This explains why China lacks continuity in any policy, or so to speak, "dynamic regulation" of all fields to keep them basically on track.
For example, in the real estate market, China has introduced policies such as "live but not invest" and "gentle like traditional Chinese medicine", and will introduce policies such as "ban price drops" and "let farmers live in cities" next month. This moment, it suppresses market confidence, and the next moment, it encourages real estate investment. If you are an economist, you cannot explain this complex market phenomenon. But if you are a macro observer, you will find that this is the Chinese government waving its left and right arms at the same time, trying to keep a balance.
As long as it remains on track, China will automatically gain enough strength and wisdom over time to solve all problems.
The state collects a large portion of corporate profits and surplus value and returns the money back to the economy in a planned way. In the west the pofits just accumulate to some individuals wallets.
I am kinda sad that you were so certain about the fact that the Cina is laying heavily about the GDP reported…
Great video. I always enjoy your content.
China’s industry – particularly EV’s – is a bubble, with suicidal competition which cannot be sustained.
China is growing because of its sheer size! In a country with more than a billion people, even if most got poor, if you have an upper middle class of 100 million people, that's already the demand size of Japan on a good day.
This means that the consumer base for chinese industrial goods will always be very powerful compared to the consumer base of the industry of any other big country in asia, europe or the usa.
Big chinese companies on cars, ai, tech, ships, etc are impervious to crisis when it comes to competing with anyone else.
I wonder if it even matters what policies are put in place, to increase private consumption, when the consumers are disappearing; dying of old age? Perhaps the better solution would’ve been to remove about 1/4 of the entire industrial plant > betting on new industries, to accomidate the shrinking population. After all, by this point, the Chinese economy is more a political practise rather than a “natural” economy building on traditional economic principals.
Either way, very interesting to follow and impossible to determine the outcome!
I would say the Japanese case wasn't that different. Maybe banks didn't lent much but the electronic industry could export as China does today. Basically the people of the world had their first tvs, radios, watches, calculators and cars from Japan. How did Japanese did this? By devaluating their currency?
13:59 well you can say consumption economy but just because you say it doesn't make it so. China is in the middle income trap hard right now. So there's no magic consumer economy especially with so much of the Chinese economy suffering right now
They are lying. They are lying because everyone else wants this. What China wants is control of all sectors. You'll block this or that today. Thats fine, the rest of the world will buy Chinese and your industry will still die. You can try blocking everything, make your industry uncompetitive and it will still die. But China can't say this…
Super interesting analysis, thank you!
China: the ship is sinking (real estate)! Let's jump on a new ship and do the same thing (industrial policy)!
Whenever China outlasts western prediction of imminent economic collapse, Chinese economy turns "bizarre". Lol. After enough copium they start another "China about to collapse" content for a good night sleep and circle repeats. 🤣
This definitely earns you a new subscriber I have not watched an analysis of this comprehensiveness before, not even if I use the most advanced research AI models from Claude, Gemini, ChatGPT, Grok,.. right now.
As many you tube economist, they project their beliefs unto chinas government, people and companies. Just a fast look to the markets in china tells you that for them, the financialization of the economy, the especulation and such behavior is culturally off limits. Sumary… the same error made in 2000s, believen that when china accede some money they will surrender to the american capitalism/feudalism… the same capitalism/feudalism that destroyed the american society. Expecting that China, that is not controlled by billionaries and that can do whatever they want with their economic policy, will follow the path of the west is the most absurd thing that youtube economist do.