Australia’s warship deal with Japan helps plug gaps in current navy capabilities: Expert
We’re joined by Jennifer Parker, expert associate at the National Security College at the Australian National University. So, professor, why is the frigot deal being described as a landmark agreement for both Australia and Japan? And what exactly sets this apart from other defense deals made in the past? Hey Grace, look, thanks so much for for having me on. Look, I think it’s it’s landmark or it’s significant for for two key reasons. The first is that uh this is really the largest defense export deal that Japan has ever signed. I mean it says $10 billion but that’s over the next 10 years. It will be more than $10 billion all up by the time the 11 ships are built. Uh two, it is an expansion of Australia’s naval surface combatant fleet which is much needed. Australia currently has 10 surface combatants for 50 years. We’ve had analysis telling us we need 20 because Australia is an island nation and we’re relying on Japan to help us get there. there and I think that is a key part of the relationship as well. The Australia Japan defense relationship has rapidly evolved in the last 10 years and in 2022 we kind of saw that crowned with the signing of a reciprocal access agreement and we saw a joint declaration on security cooperation that you know it’s not an alliance but it sounds very much like an alliance. So this is significant for those reasons and it will really prop up Japan as a defense exporter in the region. Of course, Japan is looking to sign deals on ships with other countries and it also helps Australia rebuild its navy. And Jennifer, let’s focus on how this will impact Australia because as someone with operational experience across a wide range of naval missions, I think you would be able to assess the strategic needs this deal is to meet for Australia. Yeah, look, when we think about uh Australia’s naval buildup, we need to remember that Australia is it’s an island. So, Australia is heavily dependent on maritime trade. 99% of our uh trade comes through the maritime domain. In fact, we import 91% of our fuel and other critical seaborn supply. Australia has the third largest exclusive economic zone in the world and it’s the fifth largest shipping user in the world. So when you think about those things, protecting Australia’s maritime domain and its critical seaborn supply is a really difficult task. And so we’ve over many years of kind of delayed decision-m we’ve ended up with a surface combatant fleet which is old. The ANZAC class as you mentioned were commissioned uh between 1996 and 2006 and we rapidly need to update them and we rapidly need to expand. So when you think about the sheer size of the task for Australia, you can understand why we are investing in more naval capability. And when you think about Japan as a significant ship builder in the region and a key partner for Australia, you can see why Australia and Japan are working on this together. And you mentioned region. So we’re going to be talking about the regional impact. This is Japan’s most significant defense export deal since lifting its arm export ban in 2014. So how significant is this deal for regional naval balance? Look, when we think about regional naval balance, it’s very clear that there has been a naval arms race in the Indo-Pacific over the last 15 years. I mean, you only need to look at China’s naval capability and see China has 370 uh warships, submarines, uh carrier aircraft, those sort of things. and they’re expected to build to over 500 in the next 5 years. That rapid naval buildup has destabilized the region in many ways and we’ve seen that in the vicinity of Taiwan with a large joint exercises. We’ve seen that in the South China Sea in terms of China’s aggression towards the Philippines. And so in response, of course, other countries are looking at their naval capability and the ability to protect their interest in the maritime domain. And I mentioned before how critical Australia’s interest in the maritime domain are to Australia’s economy and Australia’s national security. So we are seeing countries from Indonesia to the Philippines to Malaysia uh to Japan and South Korea looking at bolstering their neighbor naval capability and this is part of that trend. But I would say the slight difference is Australia and I mentioned the sheer size of Australia’s maritime domain and maritime dependencies has kind of always needed 20 surface combatants. governments weren’t willing to invest in that until now and that now is because of China’s behavior in the region and how that impacts naval sec Australia’s security interests. But the expansion of ships is not really just about China. It’s actually about protecting Australia’s interest and the size of Australia’s maritime domain. And looking beyond this deal, do you foresee Japan becoming a more active player in terms of regional defense industries or what’s your intake on that? Look, certainly I think Japan is keen to do so. So, we have seen Japan exporting some Coast Guard ships around the region. We saw a recent agreement between Japan and the Philippines for Japan to export some of its secondhand ships. And I think Japan is generally trying to embrace the region as a defense exporter. Of course, they have a lot of competition from South Korea who has been building ships uh and submarines, but I think you will see more countries engaging Japan on defense exports and I think that they will look to the relationship between Australia and Japan and this deal as a sign of confidence in that. Mhm. Now, we also should touch upon how Australia has an Augustus pact with the US and the UK and many experts have been analyzing that that’s also a way to bolster regional cooperation against China’s growing assertion there. But how does this new agreement complement or contrast with Australia’s AUS pact? Look, I think people often misinterpret what is really it’s it’s a capability agreement. Clearly there’s some elements of signaling uh to to kind of deter China but it is about fundamentally Australia acquiring nuclearpowered submarines and when you look at that in this deal you can see that Australia has really come alive to the fact that it is an island nation. It does need to be able to protect its maritime domain and to do that it needs a strong navy which requires nuclearpowered submarines but also a large surface combatant fleet. So they’re certainly linked in that day, that way. And I think Australia sees itself as contributing to a regional balance of power that allows the region to not be coerced by any specific country. All right, thank you so much for your insights. That was Jennifer Parker, expert associate at the National Security College at the Australian National University.
Australia will upgrade its navy with 11 Mogami-class frigates built by Japan’s Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, amid a major military restructuring that includes acquiring long-range strike capabilities. Jennifer Parker, an expert associate at the Australian National University’s National Security College, tells CNA’s Asia Now that Australia is overdue in building up its navy fleet as it is heavily dependent on maritime transport. About 99 per cent of the nation’s trade volume is shipped by sea – including most of its fuel and other critical imports, leaving it vulnerable to shortages. Read more: https://cna.asia/4mvfmu1
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36 Comments
Any conflict with Taiwan and these ships will stay in the harbour.
Besides the warship, what a cute TV anchor
Japanese Stuff is good, but it's normally expensive. Australia is not an Island, it's a continent, but if it were an island, it would be the largest island in the world, but it's actually the smallest Continent. Greenland is the largest Island, but is only 1/3 the size of Australia lol. Geography right? :/ In anycase, it has one of the smallest navies of the developed world. So we really do need Big Navy with crazy Anti-drone tech.
So Australia's navy will have 20 plus surface combatant vessels, while China has 350 combatant vessels. The odds look dismal. Why aren't we building our own naval vessels instead of giving Japan the economic boost. I smell another scam.
Given the costs, including the opportunity cost of pursuing this capability over others, what is the key strategic interest that this platform secures? Trade? In the event of a kinetic war in the region that features a great power (ie China), global commerce will be the first casualty, irrespective of Australia's capabilities. Furthermore, surface ships, as demonstrated during the Ukraine war, are extremely vulnerable to cheap platforms- drones and guided missiles. Has Australia considered getting bang for buck- like buying 20 off the self diesel submarines, like the Gotland class boats- proven performers in USA war games and cheaper and easier to use that nuclear submarines. Please have a look at Hugh Whites seminal: "How to Defend Australia" (2019). Australia appears to be wasting it money again. Will this ever end?
China increases their Navy is for one reason only, INVASION! China in 2025 is reminding me of Nazi Germany. Also in 2025, the allies are reminding me of having all these countries rushing about trying to catch up with one nation on the brink of destabilising the 80 years of peace in the region. Can we meet these requirements before or if or when peace turns into war? I am the last person wants war but our maritime security is alarming and not currently up to standards.
Which is not surprising. Australia Defence Force is adaptive in nature, we haven’t needed a strong Navy when we have done most of our peace keeping in the dust ball that is the Middle East. So having Anzac Frigates that are completely outdated should be no surprise but the real question remains whether Australia can build our new Navy and if war does break out, do we have the capability to build quicker to meet the needs of our nation?
Australia and more importantly our government need to keep peace and opportunity open with China. Because an isolated China is only a foreshadowing of history repeating itself and Australia should do everything in its power to make sure that does not happen. Build the navy up but never forget that our true strength remains in building relationships through peaceful negotiations and trade. We are not China’s enemy unless China makes us that but Australia never will be the first ones to act, everybody should remember that even our allies.
Sounds a lot less complicated than the AUKUS project. Does Japan make submarines as well?
When they have six in the water, they should have a long, hard look at the design and see what needs to be changed or upgraded. The class should then be redesigned with those changes in mind, and when the last of the original ships is in the water, start building the revised class. That way, the navy will always have one or two new ships entering service every two or so years.
Why not just build our own?
I'm grateful we now have a defence supply partner like Japan. While the U.S. will remain our prime partner I'm glad we are linking up with more nations. For sure, China will punish us but I think they will finish up wrecking their own export markets and have to start acting peacefully. Their system of government will change.
CNA once again showing anti-china bias.
China must maintain a military presence in the region to protect it's shipping from US provocation.
Unlike the US, China has not been involved in any coups, bombings or genocide. So there's definitely a clear distinction between national security and complicity in US belligerence.
Excellent. Now scratch the bullshit AUKUS Sub deal and get some conventional ones.
Look at Ukraine war . Navy runs away too vulnerable and expensive. Old technology
Big Daddy Xi won't be happy about this. Our biggest trading partner is China, but we are investing billions to protect our trade with China, from, China.. anyone see anything weird about that?
JMSDF currently charters Australian-made trimaran high-speed vessels from private companies.
I think Japan will now order a high-speed transport ship from Australia.
I am pleased to see Japan-Australia defense cooperation deepening.
I apologize for giving my wife a hicky can't help it, she's so intelligent and beautiful.
Labor and their leftard supporters patting themselves on the back for ordering ships to fill the gap they created by failing to order any ships in their last time in office killing the Australian naval shipbuilding industry and creating the valley of death yet again. You can't make this crap up !!
Buying warships from former major enemy. How would the alp and fellow canberra beurocrats boomer nit wits running the nation explain this to ww2 veterans, considering Australia is such a big remniscing of military history nation.
To think out off two nations bidding one was Germany one was Japan you couldnt dream up this stuff.
Did Australia cancel the UK frigates?
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Fantastic guest, really knowledgeable on everything maritime when it comes to the Aussies. Her podcast Maritime Matters Aus is a great one to follow. 👍
Why wouldn't they go for economy of scale and boost the T26 hull count from 6 to 15-20 much like Canada's is doing with its 15 river class destroyers for its two ocean navy? Are domestic Australian shipyards incapable of ramping up or working together?
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Commonwealth forever
Australia needs RFA support ships as well as three more light fleet carriers! We need to get back to building helicopters and aircraft to support these ships!
Well done Australia, glad to see yore getting more much needed ships
s. good ones too!
FWIW, Japan's destroyers during WW2 punched way over their weight. Japan knows how to design an excellent warship.
This is NOT a great deal for Australia. Look at the big picture. Australia, other than bluster and hot air, just do not have the capacity to build them. This is the reality. It is time she takes a good at herself like in the mirror.
This Jennifer Parker might be an "expert" but has a poor knowledge of recent history.. just a silly question from a layperson.. in the last 80 or so years which country bombed Australia and attempted to actually invade Australia⁉️🙄 Did China bomb or threaten to bomb Australia or the Philippines in its alleged "aggression".⁉️ Her verbiage seemed to have been a narrative provided by some yank NGO🙄⁉️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Well done Australia and Japan. They look like capable ships that should work well with the Hunter class and Japan is in a much better position to deliver them quickly than any other option.
一番の懸念点は日本の潜水艦技術がオーストラリアを介して中国に漏洩することだな。
オーストラリアは中国に侵食されてて、裏で中国と政治経済の面で繋がってるからな。
90年代にシドニーに住んでたが、中華系のコミュニティがオーストラリアの政界・財界・不動産を牛耳っていて大学も中国の精華大学とニューサウスウェールズ大学が提携関係にあり、中国共産党の影響が強いよ。
採用していただき、誠にありがとうございます!両国関係が益々発展することを祈念しております。
War Stories with Mark Felton https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GHgjOkjNQo
The Japanese 'Invasion' of Australia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GHgjOkjNQo
First ship will be named HMAS Kokoda or HMAS Buna-Gona
AUS chose availability only, not firepower or good contract relationship.
MEKO A210 has full Australian Radar suite for example and is a better equipped warship Design.
But Japan hast construction plants free for nearly delivery … Germanys TKMS will be busy with its own future german naval buildup.
Only reasons for this Deal.
Think you find it Australia. Not Orstalia.